Personally I do not want to comply with the law. It’s a law that violates my basic rights as a human being, and any tools that favours it or try to comply with it become tools that commit the same violations. My laptop is mine, I decide what goes in it, and nobody has any right to force any software in it, no more than they have any right to put a camera in my house to check what I do. When “laws” violate human rights, what counts is not what’s the “legal” thing to do, but what’s the moral thing to do.

Today we would be in a Russia-like state if people had not actively resisted, broken, and refused to comply with unjust laws.

🤝 Maybe “government parent brainwash them”.

Because it is not only one dumb state but also multiple countries with such laws, either already active or as plans.

I don’t see any difference with a law saying that you must have a camera installed in your house to potentially check what you do (or what your child does). It’s my house, I decide whether I want a camera installed.

If someone tells me they’re going to put a camera but it’s innocuous because it’s off, or because I can decide whether to turn it on, or because I can point it in any direction I like (toward the wall), well they completely miss the point: it’s my house, if I don’t want a camera in there, then no camera goes in there. That’s my basic right as a human being, and any individual or entity or government that tries to force something like this, automatically loses its legitimacy. Its “laws” are immoral and therefore void. I don’t care being then branded as “anarchist” or as “criminal”. Welcome are all “criminals” from the past that fought and broke unjust laws in order to fight for human rights. I’m not a Russian, bowing my head and complying. Better dead. My grandchildren should not grow up in such conditions.

Likewise, my personal laptop is mine and I decide what does go and what doesn’t go in it.

Yes, thin end of the wedge. Authoritarianism happens little by little, then all at once. It must be furiously resisted by those of us who care about freedom and privacy.

It is a slippery slope, because it came as a response to a law. The law itself does not require a real verification for now, but it is clearly a step in this direction. If we look how governments world wide push for laws to undermine privacy for control, these laws are part of this push.

The birth field itself might even be a “good” tool for parents (I am not a fan of restricting your kids, but I know many are). The problem many people have with the changes by systemd is their anticipatory obedience with these laws.

Yes, this whole thing is very silly. Linux installers ask for your full name already. You can just make one up. Same with the birthday.

The slippery slope total surveillance state paranoia is hysterical.

@Liketearsinrain @pglpm An init system is not a kitchen. There isn’t supposed to be a sink there in the first place.

I also saw a 4.5 second boot time speedup from installing mine. I have NO IDEA how, but it’s happened.

If I saw a speedup that I didn’t understand, then I’d worry that I had accidentally broken something. It’s easy to get speedups by not doing things correctly

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well you’ve already won from the marketing point of view compared to the others because yours isn’t a shit (lol) name

I saw a fork coming when the AI drama started, good on you. Don’t have the time budget for it right now, but you should contact the other fork devs, maybe you could join forces.

Lovely!

I wanted to fork too but wanted a more carefully planned one (avoid reverting the new time utility names in case they will be re-used in the future & to make syncing newer changes from upstream straightforward otherwise it will not be a one-to-one replacement)

I would love to help with your fork, allocate a worker to build a binary from the CI, create an AUR package (I already studied the systemd arch package a little bit), start using the fork and hopefully with some PRs too. Discord is blocked where I am so it would be cool to have a matrix group / space for this effort and let’s see how far we can push this. Because if this doesn’t work, I will be moving to Artix or Gentoo 100%

As somebody that uses valkey, I’m happy there’s drama.

It doesn’t work quite that way. Typically you have a sequence of very small changes, all “innocuous”, that lock you more and more into the previous ones. When you suddenly realize that the cumulative change is bad, you also find it’s very difficult to “move away from it”. This is why it’s important not to give away a single inch, from the very start.

I think there is an intention to convey a clear message. I will be warching the distro’s. Red Hat, being an IBM company, will probably back this age verification farce. I’m not so sure about the community distro’s like Debian or Arch. Maybe even Ubuntu will stop short.

Despite being a minor technical feature, I think this will have a disproportionate response from people.

The age field is one step closer to age verification in a program that already has made it more than clear that they don’t respect their consumers. Not only that but it also opens the door for other distro’s to force age verification.

Systemd isn’t going to add age verification

I don’t know why we downvoted the correct answer.

It sucks and is stupid but the alternative is banning Linux. You wanna have ICE knock on your door for “harboring a foreign operating system that doesn’t comply with the Christlike values of patriotic Americans”?

Angry nerds get upset about a nothingburger.

I don’t like age verification either but that feature is optional and it’s up to the OS distributor to use it or not. Picking a distribution that doesn’t use it is easier than building your own distribution with a systemd fork.

It’s hard to fight back because of all the people who down play everything as insignificance, “it doesn’t affect me”, “it’s optional” or others.

It’s happening in this very comment section too and every comment section where anything attacking our rights is mentioned. Our freedoms will be slowly eroded away, then these people will be affected and they will suddenly be surprised: “how could this have happened?”

There is no age verification. There’s an optional field for a birthdate, just like there already is for your full name, email address, and address.

🤝 Well said. Not only normalizing the new boundaries, but in the case of software or hardware, even locking you into the new boundaries.

For arch… generally if there’s a core/extra official package, there can be alternatives in the AUR that list the system package as a “provides” alias.

From a quick AUR search, the systemd-liberated-git package is already up there. To replace systemd you’d install the AUR package which would tell you it conflicts with the official/core systemd package and ask if you wanted to replace it. If the package maintainer has everything right, it should just work.

Personally I’ll wait to see if a viably stable and well-maintained fork of systemd without age stuff shows up and switch once it sounds problem-free(ish).

Use a distro without systemd?